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		<title>By: Truly Free&#160;Film &#171; sevenpictures.ru</title>
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		<dc:creator>Truly Free&#160;Film &#171; sevenpictures.ru</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 07 Feb 2010 23:44:16 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>[...] http://www.filmmakermagazine.com/blog/2009/09/notes-on-crisis-discussing-indie-film.php#comments http://iradeutchman.com/wordpress/indiefilm/indie-film-summit/ http://www.indiewire.com/article/2009/09/28/eugene_hernandez_the_indie_summit/ [...]</description>
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		<title>By: Required Reading: NYC Indie Film Summit Wrap Ups &#124; Truly Free Film</title>
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		<dc:creator>Required Reading: NYC Indie Film Summit Wrap Ups &#124; Truly Free Film</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 04 Feb 2010 22:24:58 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>[...] with the wrap ups that greeted me this morning.  Scott Macauley&#8217;s 8 Notes On A Crisis  Ira Deutchman&#8217;s 9 Responses To &#8220;Indie Film Summit&#8221; Issues  Anne Thompson&#8217;s Overview Of The Hash It Out @ MOMA Summit  Eugene Hernandez&#8217; The Indie [...]</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>[...] with the wrap ups that greeted me this morning.  Scott Macauley&#8217;s 8 Notes On A Crisis  Ira Deutchman&#8217;s 9 Responses To &#8220;Indie Film Summit&#8221; Issues  Anne Thompson&#8217;s Overview Of The Hash It Out @ MOMA Summit  Eugene Hernandez&#8217; The Indie [...]</p>
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		<title>By: Arin Crumley</title>
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		<dc:creator>Arin Crumley</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 06 Oct 2009 18:28:12 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Thanks for summing it all up, and for embedding the video of your Power to the Pixel talk I posted 2 years back.  So much is happening so fast.  So much being discussed.  My current goal is to unite the DIY spirited filmmakers around the method of theatrical distribution we did with Four Eyed Monsters.  I&#039;ve designed a new service to provide this function to a community of filmmakers who want to jump into this reality.  
A video about how this service will work is posted here:
http://bit.ly/752Dl
I hope your well, and am looking forward to this continued exploration taking place on your blog, at these events, through emerging pictures and basically everywhere you look in the indie film scene.
Arin</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Thanks for summing it all up, and for embedding the video of your Power to the Pixel talk I posted 2 years back.  So much is happening so fast.  So much being discussed.  My current goal is to unite the DIY spirited filmmakers around the method of theatrical distribution we did with Four Eyed Monsters.  I&#8217;ve designed a new service to provide this function to a community of filmmakers who want to jump into this reality.<br />
A video about how this service will work is posted here:<br />
<a href="http://bit.ly/752Dl" rel="nofollow">http://bit.ly/752Dl</a><br />
I hope your well, and am looking forward to this continued exploration taking place on your blog, at these events, through emerging pictures and basically everywhere you look in the indie film scene.<br />
Arin</p>
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		<title>By: Jerome Courshon</title>
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		<dc:creator>Jerome Courshon</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 29 Sep 2009 08:14:12 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>A lot of good points made here by Ira&#039;s wrap-up.

One thing that no one ever seems to talk about, (or maybe they do but not often), is that the market for indie film shifted in the mid to late &#039;90s, when the mini-majors stopped picking up tons of indie film. They began financing many of their own productions, and with their bottom lines so good at that point, they got bought out by the studios to become a new studio division. The &quot;heyday&quot; pretty much ended at that point. Not so much for those so-called &quot;indie films&quot; being made by these studios&#039; specialty divisions, but for all those indie filmmakers funding their own movies with relatives&#039; money and Aunt Visa or Uncle Mastercard.

The real indies then had less places to go to find a home. But everything is cyclical -- or at least has been -- in one way or another. The explosion of DVD gave indies a new lease on life, at the end of the &#039;90s, and still does. (If the deal is at least decent and the distrib does a good job.) What I find interesting is how much apprehension and angst is currently on display from so many -- which, yes, is partly because we&#039;re on the possible verge of a tectonic shift in content delivery for movies. BUT, we&#039;re also where we are because of the worst economic crisis in most of our lifetimes. And this is exacerbating the various shifts taking place with content delivery.

The &quot;heyday&quot; was over long ago. There may be a new one coming, who knows. I believe there will be, because again, everything is cyclical. The number of indie movies being made every year is astounding. 3-4 times what it was in the &#039;90s. Can this go on, if these filmmakers don&#039;t make money to keep their dreams alive and their work in motion? The short answer is &#039;yes,&#039; because there will always be another filmmaker behind the one that only made one movie and then went back home to Ohio, perhaps broken.

There are a lot of possible solutions (besides Darwin&#039;s &quot;survival of the fittest&quot;), and one of them is that filmmakers all need to realize that they must take matters into their own hands, and embrace the journey of overseeing their own movies into the marketplace. Just directing or just producing and only having to &quot;worry&quot; about that is definitely a thing of the past.

Jerome Courshon
&quot;The Secrets to Distribution&quot;</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>A lot of good points made here by Ira&#8217;s wrap-up.</p>
<p>One thing that no one ever seems to talk about, (or maybe they do but not often), is that the market for indie film shifted in the mid to late &#8217;90s, when the mini-majors stopped picking up tons of indie film. They began financing many of their own productions, and with their bottom lines so good at that point, they got bought out by the studios to become a new studio division. The &#8220;heyday&#8221; pretty much ended at that point. Not so much for those so-called &#8220;indie films&#8221; being made by these studios&#8217; specialty divisions, but for all those indie filmmakers funding their own movies with relatives&#8217; money and Aunt Visa or Uncle Mastercard.</p>
<p>The real indies then had less places to go to find a home. But everything is cyclical &#8212; or at least has been &#8212; in one way or another. The explosion of DVD gave indies a new lease on life, at the end of the &#8217;90s, and still does. (If the deal is at least decent and the distrib does a good job.) What I find interesting is how much apprehension and angst is currently on display from so many &#8212; which, yes, is partly because we&#8217;re on the possible verge of a tectonic shift in content delivery for movies. BUT, we&#8217;re also where we are because of the worst economic crisis in most of our lifetimes. And this is exacerbating the various shifts taking place with content delivery.</p>
<p>The &#8220;heyday&#8221; was over long ago. There may be a new one coming, who knows. I believe there will be, because again, everything is cyclical. The number of indie movies being made every year is astounding. 3-4 times what it was in the &#8217;90s. Can this go on, if these filmmakers don&#8217;t make money to keep their dreams alive and their work in motion? The short answer is &#8216;yes,&#8217; because there will always be another filmmaker behind the one that only made one movie and then went back home to Ohio, perhaps broken.</p>
<p>There are a lot of possible solutions (besides Darwin&#8217;s &#8220;survival of the fittest&#8221;), and one of them is that filmmakers all need to realize that they must take matters into their own hands, and embrace the journey of overseeing their own movies into the marketplace. Just directing or just producing and only having to &#8220;worry&#8221; about that is definitely a thing of the past.</p>
<p>Jerome Courshon<br />
&#8220;The Secrets to Distribution&#8221;</p>
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		<title>By: Laure</title>
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		<dc:creator>Laure</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 28 Sep 2009 22:00:53 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>As usual you are right on target about so many things. I wonder whether we in distribution (you less than others) have been short-sighted about how the audience needs to be reached, though.  It seems like most distributors are working with an attitude that seems a lot like the one that folks had when VHS came along- like, oh, no, how can we preserve x or y of our business model, rather than really thinking about how far they could go with the new technology.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>As usual you are right on target about so many things. I wonder whether we in distribution (you less than others) have been short-sighted about how the audience needs to be reached, though.  It seems like most distributors are working with an attitude that seems a lot like the one that folks had when VHS came along- like, oh, no, how can we preserve x or y of our business model, rather than really thinking about how far they could go with the new technology.</p>
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		<title>By: Nina Seavey</title>
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		<dc:creator>Nina Seavey</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 28 Sep 2009 12:30:09 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Ira - the true source - and the solution - to the problem that you locate is buried deep in your article under Number 5, where you say &quot;most of the films they [IFC] distribute are foreign films that are generally subsidized by their local governments and budgeted on the basis that any income from North American would be gravy.&quot;  

The issue in distribution begins at the beginning of the food chain - how much do investors have to invest in order to get a picture made, which then dictates how well a film has to do in distribution to recoup and then yield a profit.  

Other countries settled this issue a long time ago with national film boards, film commissions, etc. that finance films outright or provide deep tax and financing advantages to individuals or companies who put up capital.  

You should not be so accepting of the bloated status quo of the high cost of production, unreasonable talent fees and riders (see Roz&#039;s comment), jacked up acquisition fees to cover the inflated costs of production, and the impossible-to-meet scenarios for distribution that would need to be achieved to cover all of these initial costs and then make money for the distributor.  This economic model was specious  (op cit your treatise on distribution that I reviewed years ago in your tenure bid at Columbia) in the best of times when distributors and exhibitors actually had control over the means of distribution and could at least tangentially maintain an audience&#039;s attention, it is unquestionably impossible now for all of the reasons everyone in that small conference room in MOMA was gnashing their teeth about.  

The fact is, that the solution to the production-acquisition-distribution-exhibition conundrum does not exist in past economic models located in New Yorkistan.  You&quot;re a smart guy Ira.  Think more expansively.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Ira &#8211; the true source &#8211; and the solution &#8211; to the problem that you locate is buried deep in your article under Number 5, where you say &#8220;most of the films they [IFC] distribute are foreign films that are generally subsidized by their local governments and budgeted on the basis that any income from North American would be gravy.&#8221;  </p>
<p>The issue in distribution begins at the beginning of the food chain &#8211; how much do investors have to invest in order to get a picture made, which then dictates how well a film has to do in distribution to recoup and then yield a profit.  </p>
<p>Other countries settled this issue a long time ago with national film boards, film commissions, etc. that finance films outright or provide deep tax and financing advantages to individuals or companies who put up capital.  </p>
<p>You should not be so accepting of the bloated status quo of the high cost of production, unreasonable talent fees and riders (see Roz&#8217;s comment), jacked up acquisition fees to cover the inflated costs of production, and the impossible-to-meet scenarios for distribution that would need to be achieved to cover all of these initial costs and then make money for the distributor.  This economic model was specious  (op cit your treatise on distribution that I reviewed years ago in your tenure bid at Columbia) in the best of times when distributors and exhibitors actually had control over the means of distribution and could at least tangentially maintain an audience&#8217;s attention, it is unquestionably impossible now for all of the reasons everyone in that small conference room in MOMA was gnashing their teeth about.  </p>
<p>The fact is, that the solution to the production-acquisition-distribution-exhibition conundrum does not exist in past economic models located in New Yorkistan.  You&#8221;re a smart guy Ira.  Think more expansively.</p>
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		<title>By: Alex Halpern</title>
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		<dc:creator>Alex Halpern</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 28 Sep 2009 02:32:18 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Ira

I find your insights right on the money.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Ira</p>
<p>I find your insights right on the money.</p>
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		<title>By: Tony Comstock</title>
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		<dc:creator>Tony Comstock</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 27 Sep 2009 23:55:58 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I&#039;ll second Julia. Many, if not most of the people who come out for our theatrical screenings already own the DVD. If you can promise  an indie theater owner you&#039;ll pack the house (and deliver!) he&#039;ll give you the door in exchange for the pop-corn sales. And you can sell DVDs to the people who don&#039;t have one yet!</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I&#8217;ll second Julia. Many, if not most of the people who come out for our theatrical screenings already own the DVD. If you can promise  an indie theater owner you&#8217;ll pack the house (and deliver!) he&#8217;ll give you the door in exchange for the pop-corn sales. And you can sell DVDs to the people who don&#8217;t have one yet!</p>
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		<title>By: Julia P</title>
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		<dc:creator>Julia P</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 27 Sep 2009 23:40:24 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I think you underestimate the importance to the audience of the theatrical experience.  Getting out of the house and going to the cinema is a fundamental part of the American experience and has been since Marcus Loew and the People&#039;s Vaudeville Company.  While I agree that the internet has changed consumption methods I don&#039;t think it will ever take the place of sitting in a darkened room, surrounded by the potential energy of fellow theatergoers, waiting eagerly for those opening credits.  Indie filmmakers have other theatrical options open to them, even if they aren&#039;t traditional.  

Brave New Theaters is an amazing organization that organizes community screenings.  These may not all take place on big screens yet, but with the price of digital projection going down, it won&#039;t be long until community centers can afford mini theaters to show smaller films like &quot;White Knuckles&quot; or &quot;Rethink Afghanistan&quot;, to take two examples from their site.  

I don&#039;t think Americans will ever stop going to the movies, it&#039;s just where they go that might change.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I think you underestimate the importance to the audience of the theatrical experience.  Getting out of the house and going to the cinema is a fundamental part of the American experience and has been since Marcus Loew and the People&#8217;s Vaudeville Company.  While I agree that the internet has changed consumption methods I don&#8217;t think it will ever take the place of sitting in a darkened room, surrounded by the potential energy of fellow theatergoers, waiting eagerly for those opening credits.  Indie filmmakers have other theatrical options open to them, even if they aren&#8217;t traditional.  </p>
<p>Brave New Theaters is an amazing organization that organizes community screenings.  These may not all take place on big screens yet, but with the price of digital projection going down, it won&#8217;t be long until community centers can afford mini theaters to show smaller films like &#8220;White Knuckles&#8221; or &#8220;Rethink Afghanistan&#8221;, to take two examples from their site.  </p>
<p>I don&#8217;t think Americans will ever stop going to the movies, it&#8217;s just where they go that might change.</p>
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		<title>By: Sarah Miller</title>
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		<dc:creator>Sarah Miller</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 27 Sep 2009 15:27:54 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Thank you for posting this Ira. Even though we may be in crisis right now, I really appreciate that people like you, Ted Hope, Scott Macaulay, Peter Broderick, and others are putting so much creative thought and effort into discovering new distribution models and sharing it with us.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Thank you for posting this Ira. Even though we may be in crisis right now, I really appreciate that people like you, Ted Hope, Scott Macaulay, Peter Broderick, and others are putting so much creative thought and effort into discovering new distribution models and sharing it with us.</p>
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